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This is esp. for Muscapaul and Dubsev.
In our monthly city-newspaper was a nice article recently about simplifying the german language.

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Vereinfachung der deutschen Sprache in nur 5 Schritten!

Erster Schritt: Wegfall der Großschreibung
einer sofortigen einführung steht nichts mehr im weg, zumal schon viele grafiker und
werbeleute zur kleinschreibung übergegangen sind
zweiter schritt: wegfall der dehnungen und schärfungen
diese masname eliminirt schon di gröste felerursache in der grundschule,
den sin oder unsin unserer konsonantenverdopelung hat onehin nimand kapirt
driter schrit: v und ph ersetzt durch f, z ersetzt durch s, sch verkürtzt auf s
das alfabet wird um swei buchstaben redusirt, sreibmasinen und setsmasinen fereinfachen sich,
wertfole arbeitskräfte könen der wirtsaft sugeführt werden
firter srit: g,c und ch ersetst durch k, j und y ersetst durch i
ietst sind son seks bukstaben auskesaltet,
di sulseit kan sofort fon neun auf swei iare ferkürtst werden,
anstat aktsik prosent rektsreibunterikt könen nütslikere fäker wi fisik,
kemi oder auk reknen mer kepflekt werden.
fünfter srit: wekfal fon ä-, ö- und ü-seiken
ales uberflusike ist ietst auskemertst, di ortokrafi wider slikt und einfak.
naturlik benotikt es einike seit, bis diese fereinfakung uberal riktik ferdaut ist, fileikt ein bis
swei iare. anslisend durfte als nekstes sil die fereinfakung der nok swirikeren und unsinikeren kramatik anfisirt werden.

...und fertik war die holandise sprake!

For those who dont speak german, in short terms.
Simplification of the german language in 5 steps!
Step 1: discontinue of capitalization
Step 2: discontinue of lengthening and sharpening
Step 3: v and ph replaced by f, z replaced by s, sch reduced to s
Step 4: g, c and ch replaced by k, j and y replaced by i
Step 5: discontinue of ä, ö and ü

... and the dutch language was finished
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Hilarious...

But not quite it. This takes it a few steps further than Dutch and rather brings us to the Dutch that was written by the 'activists' somewhere in the seventies and eighties. Luckily, that never became official (no-one seemed to be able to decide whether it should be action, aktion, aksion or axion, etc.). The author clearly did not have a Dutch uncle. :D
Edited by muscapaul on 04-09-2008 15:45,
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Why don't we have the possibillty to choose Dutch instead of German, in the school?

It would be way easier I think...
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I would thinks so, but, hey, I am prejudiced. :P
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Ah, I remember "Der blaurote Methusalem" by Karl May. The dutch "Mijnherr Willem van Aardappelenbosch" was my favorite charcter. And I still enjoy reading the dutch parts of handbooks or product information, but I guess you dutch guys find German equally funny :)
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Bah, German and French and all related idioms will be obsolete in a thousand year...

On the other hand, with that simplification, maybe not.
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Matonor wrote:
Ah, I remember "Der blaurote Methusalem" by Karl May. The dutch "Mijnherr Willem van Aardappelenbosch" was my favorite charcter. And I still enjoy reading the dutch parts of handbooks or product information, but I guess you dutch guys find German equally funny :)


German is funny to talk. I like the 'sounds'. Sometimes German is very smiliar to my Dutch dialect :D
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@Homdax: Bah, it's easy for you to talk! Don't you have a german Queen? :P
Also, for language, swedish as well as norwegian, danish, icelandic are north-germanic languages and therefore related somehow to german.

@Josso: Its maybe because you're a neighbor of germany and that there is a danish minority in germany, esp. in Schleswig-Holstein b)
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@alcazar:
Bahh...
You, Germans, can just learn Danish or English. :p

*no offence*
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Also, for language, swedish as well as norwegian, danish, icelandic are north-germanic languages and therefore related somehow to german.
Oh yes, and as such of course target for obliteration after some country mergers. Even before German.

However, I do love Rammstein.
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However, I do love Rammstein.[/b]
Wasn't that the band that did the music for Vicky Leandros? LoL
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What's Vicky leandros?

Don't pick on German, lads, is a great language, lovely culture and not to forget das Gute essen!

(But German is hard, capital letters and Sheisse where you don't want it! )

Besides, English does belong to the German language as well, hehe...
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Yeah, I wrote a paper about the Influences on English vocabulary as part of my graduation here. German has got a very important role as the language base, but Latin and the Norman French are very influential as well. Very interesting stuff.
For example, there is a strange phenomenon in English where you have synonyms for one word that slightly differ in meaning. To name one, you know pig and porc. They are both meaning basically the same. Pig is the older, possibly Scandinavian or German form and pork the French one. So why do we use porc for the meat and pig for the animal nowadays? The Norman Invaders who spoke French were the only ones who could afford eating pork on a regular basis while the poor English peasant raised the pigs for the French nobility. Interesting, isn't it? There are more examples like "house" and "manor", etc.

PS: Another fun fact: The forgetful Englishmen borrowed some words more than once as they already forgot that they did already have the word. See shirt (probably brought to England by the Angles, Saxons and Jutes) and skirt (Brought to England again by the Scandinavian Vikings in clever disguise ;) )
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What's Vicky leandros?

Don't pick on German, lads, is a great language, lovely culture and not to forget das Gute essen!

(But German is hard, capital letters and Sheisse where you don't want it! )

Besides, English does belong to the German language as well, hehe...


Nouns and noun-like words (and a small numer of exceptions like the formal second-person pronoun) have capital letters and all the other words have lower case letters.

So it is: das gute Essen ;)
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yeah, actually it's more logical than in English: Why the heck is "I" upper case when you does not have a capital letter? Damn egoists ;) And why are nation-related adjectives capitalized like German, English etc.?
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So why do we use porc for the meat and pig for the animal nowadays?


Well, you guys do the same, right? Schwein for the animal en fleish for the meat? We have the same in Swedish, one name for the animal, one for the meat it produces.

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So it is: das gute Essen


Exactly my point! German is, compared to Swedish, terribly unlogic and hopelessly archaich and unmodern!

Example, you put the verbs last in a sentence, like Ich muss zum Hause gehen, that sounds really hilarious and backwards, I must to the house go... No sense at all in that, is there? :D

I forgive you, because of Nürnberger Bratwürstle, saurkraut and Tucher Dunkles bier, brewed in Nürnberg!
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So why do we use porc for the meat and pig for the animal nowadays?


Well, you guys do the same, right? Schwein for the animal en fleish for the meat? We have the same in Swedish, one name for the animal, one for the meat it produces.

pig = Schwein (the animal)
meat = Fleisch (meat in general)
pork = Schweinefleisch(the meat of the pig)


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I forgive you, because of Nürnberger Bratwürstle, saurkraut and Tucher Dunkles bier, brewed in Nürnberg!

I prefer steaks :)
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yes, but Fleisch and Schwein are both German words and they are no synonyms. The interesting thing in English is, that the two words are actually synonyms, have different origins and are used for different. Its as if you'd say "Schwein" for the animal and "pig" for the meat in German.
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However, I do love Rammstein.

Rammstein? Didn't you mean Tokio Hotel ? :D

@KEFF: More complicated (unlogical? :p ) its when using tense. You can say sentences in german in present while in english you must use future.
Like: "Ich gehe morgen ins Kino." / "I will go to the cinema tomorrow."
And you should taste -> "Thüringer Rostbratwurst" and -> "Rostbrätel" too, the best and oldest sausage in Germany b)

Its also very fun to see what -> german words the english language is using :D
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A definite future action can be expressed by a present-like sentence in english as well. will-contsructions are used in more spontaneous decision. in a way, that's like the opposite in german where "werden" is used in more definite plans ;)
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