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What drives any product to be used in the modern world? What makes someone want to use the PHPFusion content management system? Well, there's plenty of useful infusions and system functions on PHPFusion, but as far as the themes go, the overall quality just isn't that high.

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I have seen that:
No one is allowed to accept payments for code it's against the license.

Anything modification or infusions a developer writes for PHPFusion, is considered to be the property of PHPFusion.

I strongly disagree with this. If PHPFusion is ever to become a competitor with CMS's like Joomla, PHP-Nuke, even wordpress, then a market needs to be included into the CMS. I'm not saying that PHPFusion should cost money in any way, but the themes should.

What inspires professional developers to design. The answer to that is money. Money drives a designer to create more themes, of higher quality, to make money. Money is what keeps business alive, business's keep the economy alive, the economy keeps the world turning.

Why should designers not be allowed to sell their hard work for money that they deserve?

If this was to happen, then more designers would take up PHPFusion, and the overall quality of the themes would skyrocket. Let's be honest, looking at some of the themes I've seen released on the themes site, well, let's just say they aren't exactly aesthetically pleasing.

Better themes = More people use the CMS.

This is my proposition, as a long time PHPFusion developer, designer, and devotee. I understand you can't change the license, but allowing the sale and marketing of themes is a must here, and I believe I have proven my point quite well.

I leave the rest to mature and respectful debate, discussion, review and consideration.

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I agee with Digital on that, im tired of working for free too and also paying for hosting expenses. There are no donations there is nothing and there will never be if this doesnt change. Some of us work more then 5 hours a day for php-fusion without any income.

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Apologies for the delay in the release of the commercial license, it is currently undergoing final proofreading.
Unfortunately, the merging of the 3 sites is taking up most of our time at the moment. We hope to announce a release date in the next few days.
You patience is appreciated.

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Thats good news, we hope to get more info about the new license in the next couple of days.

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As soon as you release, example a theme, to anyone with the GNU Affero GPL v3 license on it all items included, even images, are now under that license.

I would suggest you look at how some GNU GPL designers release themes.

Derivative work of the source code is released in one package that's under the open source license.

All images and css style sheets, witch are not a derivative work of the source code, are released under the designers copyright in a second package.

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I requested info on weather images and css style sheets are derived from the source code or are they considered separate.

I received a response from licensing@fsf.org on images and style sheets.

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Hi Mangee,

There is no hard and fast rule as to what is and is not a derived work
(and therefore covered by the same license). Ultimately these things are
decided by a judge with respect to a specific case.

Generally, client-side css interacts with the server-side code at a high
enough level that we wouldn't consider it a derivative work -- much like
we don't consider the web browser itself to be a derivative work of the
server.

We have a FAQ that talks about some of the issues about licensing
interactions in web sites. It's mostly written from a template author's
perspective, but the underlying information may still be useful:

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#WMS

Please note that this is not legal advice.

Cheers,
Francois

The line I like is

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Ultimately these things are decided by a judge with respect to a specific case.

The license group needs a judge to decide whether or not if my images from my mind were derived from the source code.

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Let me clear a few things up.

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I have seen that:
No one is allowed to accept payments for code it's against the license.

wrong, you are allowed to charge a fee.

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Anything modification or infusions a developer writes for PHPFusion, is considered to be the property of PHPFusion.

no, PHPFusion is only the copyright holder. It's open source no one owns it

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Why should designers not be allowed to sell their hard work for money that they deserve?

again you are allowed, from section 4 of agpl

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You may charge any price or no price for each copy that you convey, and you may offer support or warranty protection for a fee.

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Thank you Barspin, apparently information that Fangree Craig shared in a certain thread on the mods site was incorrect. I will make sure to notify him of this thread so he may obtain this information. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a simple misunderstanding from when he said it however.

Once again thank you.

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I do have some words to say regarding this same old subject....

"Boring", "Tiring", and really not why I am here.

I am here because I am a huge fan of PHPFusion and enjoy Web Development and coding not because I enjoy discussing licences.

That's all your getting from me on this same old boring matter.

Thank you and good day. :)

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